Nerfed to the Ground Baby!…Volley Gone


Our beautiful ability Volley was removed from in the latest beta release. We have no one to blame but ourselves for turning it into an AOE crutch.
The numbers that spew from Volley’s attack are beautiful. They make all hunters feel awesome. The truth, which is hard to swallow, is that we volleyed to much. I admit that I enjoyed bringing the rain. Maybe I enjoyed it to much. To be honest it got a little boring just using the ability on trash and for soloing multiple mobs.

The best time I ever had with using Volley was in Alterac Valley. I found a nice hill to stand on the let loose a rain of pain upon other players below in the chasm.

Volley allowed hunters to do damage in our dead zone. I don’t know if our traps will be able to make up for the ability loss, or if we will loose the dead zone finally. Dead zone be gone please.

I’m not going to cry a river over this change, but hopefully it’s really a dark cloud with a beautiful silver lining.

Source

I understand where Ghostcrawler is coming from. However, we hunters want our pony in return. That pony being dual wielding pistols for close quarters combat.

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Posted on August 24, 2010, in Abilities, Post. Bookmark the permalink. 23 Comments.

  1. That, or actually remove our deadzone and make our ranged dmg go up 300%. That will teach those pesky non-hunters to close on us 😉

  2. “The truth, which is hard to swallow, is that we volleyed too much.”

    Oh no you don’t. Good hunters volleyed whenever it made sense (damage) in the context we were in. We didn’t volley too much; Blizzard made too places where volley spam was the best answer.

    Yes, some hunters volleyed where it didn’t make sense; but if that is grounds for removal of a skill, I expect to log on, and find no UI at all.

    Given that we DID lose our minimum range, and it was very quickly hailed as a bug, one shouldn’t hold one’s breath on that score.

    • As you can tell, I play other classes besides a hunter, and I can tell you that from my experience when grouped with other hunters, that Volley was abused to boost Recount/Skada numbers.

      Hunters also abused Volley while solo due to the crit mechanic giving our pet’s focus regen a boost, which in turn allowed for more use of abilities that self healed the pet when talented properly. We learned that from the awesome Big Red Kitty during the WOTLK beta testing and ran with it.

      If you clicked on the source link, you would have seen that Ghostcrawler said that spell/ability did not make sense. I can agree with him on that point. You use a gun and cause arrows and arcane magic to fall from the sky. Whut whut?

      I don’t understand your comment about no UI at all. Taking away Volley is gimping, but it will not destroy the class. Hopefully the dead zone is removed or we get a replacement ability that all allow for some offensive ability within that zone.

      • “Volley was abused to boost Recount/Skada numbers.”

        Can you define ‘abused’ in this context? Exactly what _should_ a hunter be doing instead of trying to increase the amount of damage they are doing (in Wrath)?

        “Hunters also abused Volley while solo due to the crit mechanic”

        Same question here.

        “Ghostcrawler said that spell/ability did not make sense. I can agree with him on that point. You use a gun and cause arrows and arcane magic to fall from the sky. Whut whut?”

        I don’t have any sympathy (with Ghostcrawler). FIrst, it is not the skill that doesn’t make sense, but rather the animation of that skill. Second, he was the one in charge of the people making the animation. Is it beyond his imagination to make something reasonable? Third, HOW long has Volley been around? Fourth, but shooting SNAKES is ok? Fifth, how you get any arrow or bullet out of any shot, when you don’t put them in first is beyond me.

        His response sounded like rationalization to me. And hasn’t he learned by now to not surprise players with this sort of thing?

        “I don’t understand your comment about no UI at all.”

        I was being snarky, that if Blizzard removed every ability that someone abuses, they would need to remove ALL abilities.

        • Abuse: Using Volley on everything in sight, then spamming recount/skada numbers to the party trying to prove how leet you are.

          Crit mechanic: When speced for it, a hunter’s crits will supply their pet with additional Focus beyond the normal regen. This allows the pet to more often use abilities that are Focus dependent as long as that ability is of CD.

          I really take it that you’re sore about the lost of Volley. I’m not. I hope they do get rid of the dead zone that hunter’s have which Volley was able to mitigate to a mild degree. Ghostcrawler’s rationalization is fine by me. We have a choice. Adapt to the change, play another class, or stop paying Blizzard $14.99 per month.

          To replace Volley, Multi Shot will be changing, and we have explosive trap. Personally, I’m glad that our traps will become relevant again. If that means losing Volley to get that relevance, then maybe it’s okay. This is the Cataclysm forthcoming. Everything is open for some change.

          Maybe even Eyes of Beast will become relevant again? 😛

          Any changes made will always be a surprise to us the population at large. There is no avoiding that truth.

          • Abuse: Using Volley on everything in sight, then spamming recount/skada numbers to the party trying to prove how leet you are.

            Using AoE abilities on AoE pulls is a bad thing now?

            To replace Volley, Multi Shot will be changing, and we have explosive trap.

            Okay. What do I use when I want to hit a stealther when Flare is on CD? What do I use to hit large quantities of low-HP mobs, especially if Explosive is already on CD? What do I do if Explosive Trap is full-resisted (preventing it from exploding) because it’s on the goddamned Spell Hit table?

            • Riglon , I think you know what I’m getting at by saying that. AoE abilities are not bad for an AoE pull. However, what about hunters that just only use that ability on everything?

              We don’t even know how multi shot will be changing, just that it will be changing was my point.

              I say shorten the duration of the CD for our traps and take them off the spell hit table. We are a ranged physical damage class. The trap mistake can be corrected now too along with our dead zone.

              And we are talking about a PVP applicaton from what you are saying. Why do we even use volley which is channeled? Becasue it can cover our dead zone. If they remove the dead zone we can defend with any shot.

          • “Abuse: Using Volley on everything in sight, then spamming recount/skada numbers to the party trying to prove how leet you are.”

            That may be an abuse of recount, or just abuse of your teammates. But doing damage is what Hunters DO. The more of it we do, the better. Are we ‘abusing’ Chimera shot, when we hit it whenever it off cooldown? Of course not. Should we not hit Volley even if it will do more damage just to fit YOUR idea of how hunting should be done?

            please DEFINE abuse, so I can understand the distinction you are trying to make here.

            “Crit mechanic: When speced for it, a hunter’s crits will supply their pet with additional Focus beyond the normal regen. This allows the pet to more often use abilities that are Focus dependent as long as that ability is of CD.”

            And not taking advantage of that is somehow more noble than taking advantage of it? Huh?

            “I really take it that you’re sore about the lost of Volley”

            And you would be entirely wrong.

            “We have a choice. Adapt to the change, play another class, or stop paying Blizzard $14.99 per month. ”

            Or give feedback… which is sort of the idea with a beta after all.

            “Any changes made will always be a surprise to us the population at large. There is no avoiding that truth.”

            Don’t be ridiculous. We had a hunter direction in cataclysm seminar 6 months ago. We have had Ghostcrawler talking on forums for ages. The first we hear about loss of volley is finding it off our actionbars? Most people assumed it was a bug. That is the surprise I am talking about, and it is a stupid idea; not only for all the bug reports which need to be addressed, but also the storm of protests that are fueled by the surprise.

            • I think I’ve defined my thoughts on abuse enough. We just don’t agree on it.

              It is beta and the next change could be right around the corner. Volley could be back or really gone forever.

              And you trust that everything said 6 months ago still stands? When Blizzard basically dropped Path of the Titans, it was an announcement that everything was up for grabs to me.

              The ability being taken off the action bar without warning sucks, but I can see why it was done the way it was. Announce the change and people would be outraged. Do the change and people will be outraged. Just do it and deal with only one side of rage.

              • “I think I’ve defined my thoughts on abuse enough. We just don’t agree on it.”

                No. I want you to DEFINE the word “ABUSE” Go find a dictionary, and look at how they define words. The reason I want this is that you used in a way that doesn’t match any of the definitions in MY dictionary.

                Something is abuse because you say it is, isn’t useful if you can’t say WHY!

                You said: “we volleyed to[sic] much.”

                I claim: in a sensible world that means one of:

                1) We volleyed so much that we decreased our effectiveness. Effectiveness is measured primarily by damage done for hunters, unless you want to argue otherwise (which you haven’t done yet) Since your next claim is that the abusers then posted DPS meters, clearly this is not the case.

                2) We volleyed more than was proper. Blizzard posts no guidelines for how hunters are supposed to be played, except when they post bug fixes etc. Since volley has been largely unchanged for Wrath, the assumption that must be taken away, is that hunters were using Volley in Wrath as Blizzard intended. (That they are changing their minds on this issue for Cataclysm is not pertinent, even if interesting)

                3) We volley more than you personally think is correct, by some criteria you invented. Sadly this leaves me with the impression that that criteria is ‘Beat Nochecazador by using superior knowledge and less effort, and then was snotty about it’. Is that the impression you want to leave me with?

  3. I am not happy with the removal of Volley at all – taking away an ability that we use so often for so many purposes because the animation doesn’t make sense, doesn’t make sense. Fix the animation, and then leave us with it. I didn’t play WoW back in Vanilla, so this way of raiding is all I know. With so many other class changes already coming in Cata, why hit us with something else as well? It’s like being punched in the gut. I’m not even thinking about trash pulls…I’m thinking about my farming routine. I go out to Storm Peaks, round up a herd of mammoths, drop an explosive trap, and volley them down. I love doing that! It’s a huge rush! It’s so much fun to wtfpwn them…skinning is definitely the most fun gathering skill. 🙂

    Overall I’ve been looking forward to Cata and the hunter changes. Does this latest change make me want to /quit and /wrists? Nah, but it really perturbs me. I can only hope and pray that we get some other skill mightily buffed so that we are not completely unable to AOE. There are a lot of other situations that volley is used in besides raid trash pulls.

    And I do agree with Corwyn and Rilgon above: it’s not abuse to use an ability we have, to deal damage. If a situation calls for us to deal damage, and we have multiple abilities to choose from, and Volley happens to be the one we know will do the most damage, then that is what should be used. Yes that is going to raise recount numbers, but that is not why we are using it. We are using it to cause the most damage. Because that is our job as a DPS class. They can make it so that some other ability is a better choice in those situations, but doesn’t mean you need to take away volley completely. If anything take away lame Multi-shot….hardly ever use it since it’s on same CD as Aimed Shot

  4. Looking at the discussion as it has unfolded here are the some trends/ideas:

    3 – 1 on my thought that Volley was abused/over used in situations, that it had become a crutch of sorts. We don’t see eye to eye and that’s cool. Actually, I like it as it promotes further discussion and learning at this point. I’m okay as that solo 1.

    4 – 0 on the PVP/PVE implication of the change. We could be gimped when it comes to protecting our dead zone. I hope that the dead zone is removed, or we get an ability to cover said zone like the idea of dual wielding pistols for close quarters combat. Something that hurts enough to make the opposition want to back off.

    4 – 0 I believe we all are hoping for some greater return due to losing Volley.

  5. “Something that hurts enough to make the opposition want to back off.”

    What are you expecting that would make a warrior, rogue, kitty, bear, etc. to WANT to be at range with a hunter??

    The only thing I can think of is turning them INTO a hunter.

  6. M’kay sure most hunters don’t know when to use it appropriately, i will give you that, but it seems that the new multi shot and the traps have gone down in the amount of damage done overall, i’m not one to keep my eyes glued to recount, but it’s ridiculous when before the patch it hit 3 targets for 4k each (when it crit) and new multi shot hits idk how many targets for 1.5k each, and yea sure traps are still there but are more useful but they don’t fill the damage lost,

    And if it was “too magical” it would have gotten rid of way before now. just sayin.

    • I’m doing things in beastmastery right now, which is not optimal for me, but I am still seeing the 4k crits from multi shot you speak of.

      Given, I don’t use multi-shot that much. In a big group fight it may get used twice. I normally try to follow the tank, so it’s more about single target burn and control, rather than AOE blitz.

      Does it really matter when it was gotten rid of. That’s like a speed limit change statement. It was 55 all along, why change it to 45 now? It’s gone, and we adjust to the new mechanics or find another class to play. I’m adjusting and still enjoy being a hunter. It’s not always about the meters for me.

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